Another Great Triumph Of Feminism

[elfprincess]

Actually, I am quite accustomed to men having their own opinions and standing up to other men and women. That may be because in my professional position one does not make it up here by being a spineless wimp. Women actually TEST men and are quite disappointed when men end up being spineless wimps because in reality that is not what women want!

Men are trained to not argue with women.  Its a lose/lose.  Winning the argument is worse than losing, because you've proved her wrong (and in her mind inferior).  This is especially true in the work place.  You never argue with a woman in the workplace or you'll be viewed as anti-female and women's rights.  Or, an impatient and arrogant male pig.  Women have completely changed the dynamic of the work place, for the worst.  Nothing gets done anymore without a commitee being formed and endless meetings, so women aren't offended.  When men ruled the work place shit just got done.  Unilateral decisions were made ad hoc.  Competitive threats were nipped in the bud.  Now corporations sit around and digress over every little thing.  Their is no strong leadership.

Why do women have to "test" a man?  Why the  charades?  I've known and know several women who get extremely angry when the man won't disagree on anything.  He refuses to argue because he loses either way and when he refuses to take a stand they get pissed about THAT!  Its best to just go along rather than get involved in a pointless tiff that denies him sex that night or worse he loses half his stuff and money.  Arguing with a woman is BAD POLICY!

I've stood up to women and been called a jerk, (but was respected).  I've stood down and been called a wimp, (but got laid).  Feminism created this dynamic and women accepted it and supported it.  Now they ask where the "real" men are.  DUH!  Androgeny is the feminist utopian world where there are no sex specific roles.  Everyone is a macho female or a wimpy male.

Why do wome test men? It is biology 101! Vast majority of men and women are ignorant of what drives their behavior. I am not saying it is right for them to test men, they are driven by their primitive biological instincts. Mating behavior by default happens in the reptilian brain where the interests of men and women are DIAMETRICALLY opposed and this will never change. That is the origin of all male-female strife.  It has to do with the cost of sex. Eggs are expensive, cost of sex (pregnancy) is high for the female so it is in her interest to delay sex as long as possible to secure a fit male who will also provide and protect her and the offspring for a long time. Females need to have a way to quickly assess the male . That is why women test men, have lower sex drive, withhold sex, etc. For men sex is "cheap", sperm is plentiful, it is in their interests to have as much sex as possible and impregmnate as many females as possible. That is why men have strong sex drive, their sex area in the brain is twice that of the female. So women do all they can to INCREASE the cost of sex, men, to DECREASE it. Women dangle the carrot for sex to obtain committment, and men dangle committment to obtain sex. Of course, as humans, we do have higher functions modulating our instincts, but in the abscence of conscious awareness we are driven by our reptilian brain and our biology much more than we care to admit.

In this male-female conflict men only have their greater physical strength to rely on. Women have developed a tremendous ability to compensate for it by manipulating men, especially using sex as a weapon. It is HARD-WIRED into us. Women fear the physical damage a man can do in a direct confrontation so they need to have a way to control him. At the reptilian brain level it ia all about pure SURVIVAL. It does not know right and wrong, it is selfish, it is pure instinct. It may have served us well for thousands of years, but the reality is we do not need to be driven by it today, but we are! We are still embroiled in this struggle on personal and the societal level. I believe if people understood what is really going on and what the reality of today's environment is they would be willing to engage the higher human functions. Until then we will live in conflict.

[raider67]

Thanks for the lecture on sexual/reproductive anthropology elf-p.
I'm well aware of the natural biological urges of men and women, why women choose certian mates, etc.  Understanding this has done nothing to smooth over male/female relations however.  Because to feminists, its nonsense.

Anything that mentions biology and scientific fact that does NOT promote the feminist agenda is censored or not published/publicised.  Understanding the natural differences between men and women's brains is something feminists would rather we didn't know.  Women are women because of patriarchal social conditioning only.  End of discussion!

Opposites attract.  The less "opposite" the sexes, the less attraction.  Feminism promotes androgeny.  Feminism defies the natural order and biology of men and women.  Feminism has created a new social order of sad, lonely and confused single men and women.  Resentment and distrust of the opposite sex permeates our society.  All because feminists managed to convince women they weren't happy as "domestic slaves and mothers".  Now not only are women no happier than they were, but they've managed to make men miserable as well.

I suggest you bone up on some feminist writings from the likes of Betty Frieden and Germaine Greer along with some modern feminism 3.0ers such as Naomi Wolf and Jessica Valenti.  You'll see Biology 101 has been replaced with Gender Studies 101.  Understanding the opposition's playbook is key to fighting back.

In time you will become elf-QUEEN.

[Masculist Man]

Your mama sucks dick in hell.

Sounds like you do too.

I am not laying down rules! YOU can discuss it all you want, I am not going to!
I will check out your blog. Is every other word "fuck"?

Among other expletives but I do try to make a point.

[elfprincess]

Thanks for the lecture on sexual/reproductive anthropology elf-p.
I'm well aware of the natural biological urges of men and women, why women choose certian mates, etc.  Understanding this has done nothing to smooth over male/female relations however.  Because to feminists, its nonsense.

Anything that mentions biology and scientific fact that does NOT promote the feminist agenda is censored or not published/publicised.  Understanding the natural differences between men and women's brains is something feminists would rather we didn't know.  Women are women because of patriarchal social conditioning only.  End of discussion!

Opposites attract.  The less "opposite" the sexes, the less attraction.  Feminism promotes androgeny.  Feminism defies the natural order and biology of men and women.  Feminism has created a new social order of sad, lonely and confused single men and women.  Resentment and distrust of the opposite sex permeates our society.  All because feminists managed to convince women they weren't happy as "domestic slaves and mothers".  Now not only are women no happier than they were, but they've managed to make men miserable as well.

I suggest you bone up on some feminist writings from the likes of Betty Frieden and Germaine Greer along with some modern feminism 3.0ers such as Naomi Wolf and Jessica Valenti.  You'll see Biology 101 has been replaced with Gender Studies 101.  Understanding the opposition's playbook is key to fighting back.

In time you will become elf-QUEEN.

Thanks for the lecture in feminism, Raider.
I am actually quite aware of their position. They can distort it all they want, biology does not change. I agree with what you say. It is a sad situation today!I just do not think that being embroiled in the conflict will ever get us anywhere but more conflict, that's all.  As long as we are, we are no better than animals unable to overcome our instincts.
I prefer to engage my higher abilities and not live in conflict.
I attribute much of this strife to evolution theory. You can only tell people for so long that they are nothing but higher animals and that their lives do not matter and have no meaning until they start acting like that. Evolution theory has spawned marxism, socialism, communism, feminism, and, on the other extreme, nazism. It is only logical. Evolution is all about survival of the fittest, struggle, "might makes right". Who has the right to establish rules? The strongest. Selfishness is a virtue, if you base your value system  on evolution. That is why humanism has no philosophical basis, it is a theoretical exercise that only academic elite engage in. The rest of the "masses", we just have to look at the western society. We see the result of the loss of spiritual and moral controls that have kept our biology in check and held this society together for centuries. This "great civilization" is decomposing in front of us, passing into ruin, like many before it, and feminism is one of the symptoms of this illness and means of its demise.
I am sure you have seen "Apocalypto" and the quote by W.Durant "The great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within". We are busy doing just that and we are not far from being conquered by the real enemy. Then we will not have to worry about ANYBODY's rights, because none will have them.

[elfprincess]

Your mama sucks dick in hell.

Sounds like you do too.

Not as well as you do, from what I've heard!

I am not laying down rules! YOU can discuss it all you want, I am not going to!
I will check out your blog. Is every other word "fuck"?

Among other expletives but I do try to make a point.

I have looked at some posts briefly, will read more. I guess you do have something intelligent to say

[Masculist Man]

Your mama sucks dick in hell.

Sounds like you do too.

Not as well as you do, from what I've heard!

I am not laying down rules! YOU can discuss it all you want, I am not going to!
I will check out your blog. Is every other word "fuck"?

Among other expletives but I do try to make a point.

I have looked at some posts briefly, will read more. I guess you do have something intelligent to say

Not as well as you do, from what I've heard!

I've heard you like that fish pie.

[dcm]

I attribute much of this strife to evolution theory. You can only tell people for so long that they are nothing but higher animals and that their lives do not matter and have no meaning until they start acting like that. Evolution theory has spawned marxism, socialism, communism, feminism, and, on the other extreme, nazism. It is only logical. Evolution is all about survival of the fittest, struggle, "might makes right". Who has the right to establish rules? The strongest. Selfishness is a virtue, if you base your value system  on evolution. That is why humanism has no philosophical basis, it is a theoretical exercise that only academic elite engage in. The rest of the "masses", we just have to look at the western society. We see the result of the loss of spiritual and moral controls that have kept our biology in check and held this society together for centuries. This "great civilization" is decomposing in front of us, passing into ruin, like many before it, and feminism is one of the symptoms of this illness and means of its demise.

Female emotionalism  intended to debase reason to a lower level. Levened with true statements to avoid critical evaluation.
The feminist philosophy of constantly insulting men, criticizing, and degrading them is set forth in this diatribe as well as an intended result.
The stuff about humanism is true. It's a bunch of drivel. This is interesting in that women  usually go into adolescent raptures over it.

I'm not religious but I don't steal, trip old ladies, kick puppies; I don't even drink alcohol, much less use anything else. If I want something I buy it or do without. I do not need to be afraid of the boogieman in order to behave.
Nevertheless, you are correct in that most people do need some kind of religious basis simply because they don't have the time or inclination to worry about that nonsense. However, nobody has the right to impose it on anyone else like the contemptible Moslem savages want. I think especially women do because of the strong irrational element in the female mind, but they have to be kept from getting swept away in hysterias and causing more trouble. (Salem witch trials, the day care molestation panic, the recovered memories panic, etc.)

What we need, religious or not, is an end to legal favoritism of women in the court and public practice: judge women in divorce rationally, not emotionally, draft women and throw them in prison if they refuse. (Let's not hear anything about "hating women" here; we all know "he hates women" means "he expects them to act as the adults they claim to be.")Whether people are religious or not, whatever religion they follow, if the laws are administered fairly they'll behave.
It is favoritism in divorce, pampering of female criminals, and legal priviledges for women that are the source of trouble.

[raider67]

Well we are on the same page then elf-p.
Even the older feminists have come out and said, "whoa, wait a minute, we didn't mean all that.  Just some of it."  They were intellectual enough to argue for feminism and now they're seeing the effects on their sons and daughters and society.

The issue is convincing the new breed that feminism is over.  They only want more and more.  The tactics worked before so why not just keep going?  All I ask for is a little introspection and questioning among them but they are VERY determined to believe feminism is pure and rightous.  It is facsist like ideology.  Why so much moral corruption?  Breakdown of the family.  Why so much distrust and resentment?  Feminist doctrine.  Why so much anxiety and depression and psychotropic drug use?  Did feminism really make women happier as they were promised it would?  NO.

The more time I spend on the feminist blogs the more scared I become for our society.  I mean what some of these women say and believe...  They make Masculist Man look like Mother Teresa.  Mean, angry, spiteful, vicious, hateful...and that's just among themselves.  Many of the feminist men are the worst offenders.  They know little about feminism but would defend it to the death.

When the modern feminist front is open to a dialogue about feminism rights and wrongs we will have made the first step towards rectification and correction.  As it is now it cannot be discussed unless it involves unconditional support only.  

DO NOT QUESTION THE DOGMA OR YOU WILL BE CAST OUT AS A HERETIC.

[elfprincess]

I attribute much of this strife to evolution theory. You can only tell people for so long that they are nothing but higher animals and that their lives do not matter and have no meaning until they start acting like that. Evolution theory has spawned marxism, socialism, communism, feminism, and, on the other extreme, nazism. It is only logical. Evolution is all about survival of the fittest, struggle, "might makes right". Who has the right to establish rules? The strongest. Selfishness is a virtue, if you base your value system  on evolution. That is why humanism has no philosophical basis, it is a theoretical exercise that only academic elite engage in. The rest of the "masses", we just have to look at the western society. We see the result of the loss of spiritual and moral controls that have kept our biology in check and held this society together for centuries. This "great civilization" is decomposing in front of us, passing into ruin, like many before it, and feminism is one of the symptoms of this illness and means of its demise.

Female emotionalism  intended to debase reason to a lower level. Levened with true statements to avoid critical evaluation.
The feminist philosophy of constantly insulting men, criticizing, and degrading them is set forth in this diatribe as well as an intended result.
The stuff about humanism is true. It's a bunch of drivel. This is interesting in that women  usually go into adolescent raptures over it.

I'm not religious but I don't steal, trip old ladies, kick puppies; I don't even drink alcohol, much less use anything else. If I want something I buy it or do without. I do not need to be afraid of the boogieman in order to behave.
Nevertheless, you are correct in that most people do need some kind of religious basis simply because they don't have the time or inclination to worry about that nonsense. However, nobody has the right to impose it on anyone else like the contemptible Moslem savages want. I think especially women do because of the strong irrational element in the female mind, but they have to be kept from getting swept away in hysterias and causing more trouble. (Salem witch trials, the day care molestation panic, the recovered memories panic, etc.)

What we need, religious or not, is an end to legal favoritism of women in the court and public practice: judge women in divorce rationally, not emotionally, draft women and throw them in prison if they refuse. (Let's not hear anything about "hating women" here; we all know "he hates women" means "he expects them to act as the adults they claim to be.")Whether people are religious or not, whatever religion they follow, if the laws are administered fairly they'll behave.
It is favoritism in divorce, pampering of female criminals, and legal priviledges for women that are the source of trouble.

DCM,
"The feminist philosophy of constantly insulting men, criticizing, and degrading them is set forth in this diatribe as well as an intended result"
Can you highlight in my post where I am insulting and debasing men? I am somewhat baffled! It certainly was not my intention. How is it insulting to men?

[dcm]

You can only tell people for so long that they are nothing but higher animals and that their lives do not matter and have no meaning until they start acting like that.

A superb statement there of feminists' intentions in calling all men rapists and child molesters -- constantly, repeatedly, incessantly. Men are supposed to begin acting like it because they hear it constantly.


As for the rest of the message, I have never done all the things religious people claim are caused by being nonreligious. Whenever I hear the implication anyone not religious is amoral and debased I have to come to the defense.
Are you saying that till Darwin published his book nobody ever did anything wrong? No society ever became demoralized?
I do understand why you'd mistake being non-religious for being a leftist traitor scum, but they have to claim to be atheists for religious reasons whether they are temperamentally suited to be or not. Most of us do not want to keep churches from ringing bells or crosses from marking memorials. Just political atheists -- who have substituted Marx for Jesus.
I'll put the topic behind us, but I'd like to note that while the largest number of people in prisons are Christians, with contemptible Moslem savages gaining on them, the smallest theological classification is atheists -- much smaller than their proportion of the general population.

I assure you that if you can alter some laws and compel judges and lawyers to actually make decisions based on many that already exist, much of the trouble will cease no matter what the participants' religious position is.
I do have doubts they will obey the law, since they consider themselves above it, until some fringe types take vigilante action or a president or governor has a few judges thrown in jail, followed by many feminist lunatics.

[raider67]

Atheism is actually classified as a church and subject to tax free status.
I'm a card carrying American Atheist in so far as the explicit separation of church and state.
I don't ridicule the religions and its followers as I feel it serves a purpose to establish order and sense of community spirit.  Of course feminists HATE religion by default because they're all patriarchal systems.

A major weakness of our democratic government system is the judicial branch.  They supposedly base judgements on writings from over 200 years ago.  They make decisions with little regard or foresight for long-term social implications.  There should be an Amendment that allows citizens to vote for or against the major rulings of our time.  The justices have WAY to much power with no oversight and they're appointed for life.

When the Supreme Court passed the "Equal" Rights Ammendment for negroes in 1964 feminists got them to tag on women as well.  This incorrectly assumed women are the same as men and our society has been paying ever since.  Patriarchy is the natural order of human existence and without it we'll calapse into anarchy.

[elfprincess]

You can only tell people for so long that they are nothing but higher animals and that their lives do not matter and have no meaning until they start acting like that.

A superb statement there of feminists' intentions in calling all men rapists and child molesters -- constantly, repeatedly, incessantly. Men are supposed to begin acting like it because they hear it constantly.

A superb example of you assigning meaning and intention to my statements that are COMPLETELY inaccurate. You said it, not I.What I meant was destruction of family by feminist ideology and having "free sex" with resulting abortions, teenage welfare mothers, high school kids copulating like animals. And no sense of responsibility for anything. And why should they be held responsible if they are just animals? Who says that your belief system is more valid than theirs? The only one who can establish the rules is the one with the biggest guns, and it is not you. Sorry, should have been fitter! It appears to be feminists at present, the BIG Sister, who controls the police and the military, and the courts. Survival of the fittest, remember?
That is NOT my belief system. We are conservative Christians. That does not make us perfect but it does give us a moral and spiritual basis for our behavior. As far as your prison example, did you not say somewhere how unjust the courts are and how many innocent men are condemned and serve prison terms for crimes they did not committ? So, counting Christians in jail will not be so accurate after all.

[dcm]

The justices have WAY to much power with no oversight and they're appointed for life.

In Texas judges are elected. The object, after the Yankee invasion, was to curb government as much as possible. Not enough people pay attention to them or even realize the implications when they vote. Maybe they did in 1875, for a while, but not now.
But judges running for office simply recite their party's cant lines instead of publishing their decisions and the reasons for them.
Also, the executive branch doesn't have to obey any judge's ruling, including the US Supreme Court. As in the example I've cited before, where Andrew Jackson told the Court to go fuck itself and nobody could do a thing about it.
Why don't today's executives have the guts....?

It seems possible that vigilante action may become increasingly likely. A couple of years ago a guy  in Utah shot across a street from one building to another and hit the judge handling his divorce. However, although guns enable one to pinpoint only the guilty party, they are too easy to trace.  I'm afraid people will opt for more damaging ways of enforcing discipline on the judiciary. Not that judges don't do horrible damage to society every day.

[dcm]

Feminists don't want little girls to engage in sex because they think they're animals and want the girls to also. They want the girls to believe they are adults having adult fun and doing adult things and that men don't want them to do that. Actually, women repress and attack other women's sexuality; why would men want to except those who have serious religious principles or who understand how things work?
Teenage and younger sex is a feminist control tactic.

I don't know any of this crap about this or that group being the "fittest" because I'm concerned with the destruction of society by lawyers acting on purely selfish interests and feminists, who aren't smart enough to be leaders, acting on the basis of neurotic impulses. Now who's putting words in whose mouth.

I pretty much agree with raider67 except I'm not a card carrying anything. I never liked O'hair's organization -- or O'hair. I don't want to substitute one organization for another, personally.
He is right that religion has a benign social purpose. I also insist it is good for people who don't have the time or inclination to ponder such nonsense as meaning or purpose. More specifically, they don't have to wonder what to do when someone dies or when someone is stupid enough to get married. Those are difficult times in one's life.
 There is always the danger of being physically assaulted by religious people without having done a thing to harm them, and they are all just waiting to start setting people on fire for saying Earth moves around the sun, but in the US they are usually good citizens.

The reason I emphasize legal reforms, by whatever means works, is that no matter what a person's religion is she won't kill her husband to avoid losing half his property if she files for divorce if she's going to be executed for it instead of rewarded.

[Chris Key]

What I meant was destruction of family by feminist ideology and having "free sex" with resulting abortions, teenage welfare mothers, high school kids copulating like animals. And no sense of responsibility for anything. And why should they be held responsible if they are just animals?

Evolutionist theory is not the cause of the societal problems you're talking about  The problems you speak of are derived from the way evolutionist theory has been intentionally misinterpreted by leftists and feminists.  They brainwash the youth into believing it's a necessity to become a leftist/feminist, and they do this by spreading lies about psychology and physiology.  For example, they'll tell us that women are just the same as men, but better, and that there are no differences between race.

When they're confronted with evidence that repudiates their stance on the issue, they try to repress it.  For example, a University course on Biology, Women's Studies and/or History is not going to tell its students about the plethora of scientific findings that prove women as a class aren't as intelligent as men.  Nor will they cite the scientific findings that show Africans as a class aren't as intelligent as Caucasians.

As for the irresponsible civillians who blame their promiscuity and reckless behaviour on evolution.  They use evolution as an excuse for their laziness and depravity.