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« Reply #120 on: September 24, 2007, 04:16:15 AM »

And of course there's the "you're just saying this because you're a man and you're afraid of losing your power over women" argument.  And that, "social revolutions are always painful and fraught with challenges", etc.

If women truly are equal/superior and we're just now starting realize this, so we must allow them to prove it and exercise their new found empowerment, where's the empirical evidence?  The media pumps up all the anecdotal tales of women overcoming all these odds and being successful, but where are the numbers?

They have all the rights and more and yet, aside from the usual exceptions, I don't see women taking over anything or doing anything better, or even same as men.  Surely if studies were conducted to prove women's up and coming dominance it would get huge airplay.  Somewhere there is data being suppressed.

Volvo (swedish of course) assigned a group of female engineers to design the first ground up car made by women for women.  They made a big deal about this at the time.  Does anyone know what happened to that program?  Where's the actual car?  The whole thing just went away after about a year.  I never saw the press release that they cancelled it because it failed to even get off the ground.
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« Reply #121 on: September 24, 2007, 04:40:04 AM »

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Nor will they cite the scientific findings that show Africans as a class aren't as intelligent as Caucasians.

Can you confirm this?
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« Reply #122 on: September 24, 2007, 06:48:13 AM »

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Nor will they cite the scientific findings that show Africans as a class aren't as intelligent as Caucasians.

Can you confirm this?

The only recent research I've heard of was by a guy named Shockley, who was maligned by the liberal establishment. I don't know much about his methods or data.
I would personally be astonished if it were true.
There are also studies showing Chinese and Japanese type people are more intelligent than whites.

But while I don't mind using race relations as analogies -- men are today's "niggers" -- it seems to me that dealing more specifically with racial issues gets off the overall topic.
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« Reply #123 on: September 24, 2007, 07:02:48 AM »

Sometimes I go through a topic and reread some posts. I sometimes miss some because I habitually hit the button "go to last post".

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I am a surgeon. In my job we do not form committees, we have to make split second decisions that can mean a difference between life and death for the person. I was a trauma surgeon for several years. So don't try to gross me out!

Excellent. It's more likely, then, that you'll see the validity of my arguments.


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Women fear the physical damage a man can do in a direct confrontation so they need to have a way to control him

I don't understand. Feminists claim women are actually stronger. Thus I assume when women are assaulted and injured, or even killed they chose to have that happen or they'd have used their great strength to prevent it. They have mysterious reasons men can't grasp, you know.
Go to Wikipedia and look up Sharon Lopatka, for example.


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It does not mean that SOME women cannot be very good at those jobs, but they are much less likely to be geniuses.

True, but I would be the last to say there have never been female geniuses.
I consider the late actress Hedy Lamarr to have been a genius -- and not just because of her nude movie scenes in the 1930s, though it doesn't detract. An early superstar, a spy, and an electronics expert. Again, go to Wikipedia and check if you don't know about her.


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« Reply #124 on: September 24, 2007, 01:31:45 PM »

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Nor will they cite the scientific findings that show Africans as a class aren't as intelligent as Caucasians.


Can you confirm this?


One bloke released a study on the issue.  I cannot remember his name, but I know a lot of liberals were angry about his findings.

I also read some where that IQ tests are designed so that the weaknesses and women and ethic groups are taken into consideration.  In other words, the tests will include a few asinine questions that are meant to be "woman-friendly" and "ethnic-friendly", as this way the overall score of the test will "even out" the weaknesses and strengthes between men and women, whites and ethics.

Darren Blacksmith knows more about this -- he's the one who showed me the article.

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Here's a related article:

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Men are more intelligent than women, claims new study
By BEN CLERKIN & FIONA MACRAE - More by this author »

Last updated at 13:38pm on 14th September 2006
 
Source: DailyMail.co.uk

It is research that is guaranteed to delight men - and infuriate the women in their lives. A controversial new study has claimed that men really are more intelligent than women.

The study - carried out by a man - concluded that men's IQs are almost four points higher than women's.

British-born researcher John Philippe Rushton, who previously created a furore by suggesting intelligence is influenced by race, says the finding could explain why so few women make it to the top in the workplace.

He claims the 'glass ceiling' phenomenon is probably due to inferior intelligence, rather than discrimination or lack of opportunity.

The University of Western Ontario psychologist reached his conclusion after scrutinising the results of university aptitude tests taken by 100,000 students aged 17 and 18 of both sexes.

A focus on a factors such as the ability to quickly grasp a complex concept, verbal reasoning skills and creativity - some of they key ingredients of intelligence - revealed the male teenagers had IQs that were an average of 3.63 points higher. The average person has an IQ of around 100.

The findings, which held true for all classes and levels of parental education, overturn a 100 year consensus that men and women average the same in general mental ability. They also conflict with evidence that girls do better in school exams than boys.

But Prof Rushton, who was born in Bournemouth and obtained his doctorate in social psychology from the London School of Economics, argues that the faster maturing of girls leads to them outshining boys in the classroom.

And since almost all previous data showing an absence of difference between the sexes was gathered on schoolchildren, the gender difference could easily have been missed.

'It looks like up until late adolescence, the females have the advantage over males because they mature faster, which masks the underlying difference, he said.

Although experts have accepted that men and women differ mentally, with males averaging higher on tests of 'spatial ability' and females higher on verbal tests, it was assumed the differences averaged out, leaving no difference in overall intelligence.

Prof Rushton believes the differences are directly linked to brain size, with other studies showing men having slightly bigger brains than women.

'We know that men have larger brains, even when you take into account larger body size,' said the researcher. 'That means there are more neurons. The question is what these neurons are doing in a man - and they probably have an advantage in processing information.'

It is thought the difference may date back to the Stone Age, with women seeking out men who are more intelligent than them in a bid to pass on the best genes to their children.

'Some people have suggested it evolved because women prefer men who are more intelligent than they are for husbands,' said the professor.

'Just as they prefer men who are taller than them, they also prefer a male who is a little ahead of them in IQ.'

Critics claim Prof Rushton's results could have been skewed by the inclusion of more test results from females than form males.

Prof Rushton, who four years ago triggered a scientific row by claiming intelligence and behaviour are influenced by race, with blacks being more likely to be involved in crime and Asians having a greater chance of high IQs, however, stands by his results.

'These are unpopular conclusions,' he said. 'People should not be made to feel afraid to study controversial issues.

'We have the right to find the truth. One should really look at the facts.'

His work appears to confirm British research which showed men have bigger brains and higher IQs than women, which may explain why chess grandmasters and geniuses are more likely to be male.

The analyses of more than 20,000 verbal reasoning tests taken by university students from around the world revealed that women's IQs are up to five points lower than men's .

Women needn't feel despondent, however, as the scientists believe women can achieve just as much as men - as long as they work harder.


Here's another interesting read.  It shows that there are innate biological differences between the Caucasian brain and African brain.  It does not state that the differences relate to Caucasians being smarter, but it offers some anecdotal evidence to allude to that conclusion.

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« Reply #125 on: September 24, 2007, 10:07:05 PM »

I will note that since European military power was withdrawn from Africa the entire continent has been convulsed with endless wars, economic crises, plagues, and famines. Which they blame on Europeans having conquered much of the continent.
Since European military power has been withdrawn from much of Asia, though there have been wars and economic struggles, those countries have become increasingly stable and powerful and in the same fifty years or so have become wealthy and strong.

Still, it seems to me race is getting a bit OT.
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« Reply #126 on: September 25, 2007, 03:28:37 AM »

I agree dcm.
You really start splitting hairs on racial intelligence whereas male vs. female can be backed up with pure biological evidence.

I've met many smart mother-fucking black guys, usually European bred, partially white or from Africa, but schooled here.  They're not engrained into the black culture in the US, which teaches blacks that being educated and book smart is the same as being white.  Every black I've met not born and raised in the US black culture is usually very on and motivated.  Its the black "victim culture" here that keeps them "black".  The "Jena 6" situation is the latest example of how "victimization" is their collective world.  Constantly whining about being kept down by "the man".  Self-pity and blame is a popular mind set.

This is where feminism and blacks cross paths, from civil rights up to now.  You cannot discuss feminism in it's entirety without the mentioning the "black experience".  From slavery to civil rights.  "Women were slaves in the 19th century to ya know?  They just didn't know it."  I get this alot on the blogs.
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« Reply #127 on: September 25, 2007, 04:25:57 AM »

In truth, the fortunes of various ethnic groups rise and fall for many reasons and the overall record doesn't show much if any difference in the long run. Ethiopia was civilized long ago and appears to have been an early center of agriculture. Shortly before Mohammad was born they engaged in military conflict with Persia (Iran) back and forth across Arabia as an equal power.  Kush, an African civilization that included Sudan and parts of Chad, conquered the Nile basin, Egypt included, and the rulers of Mesopotamia, Israel, Greece had to deal with them. And so on.

But one element in every culture is the division if labor between male and female, the predominance of men in politics and in any art or science that culture emphasizes, the widespread belief that women are emotional and stupid...not only widespread, but enduring since the earliest records. Usually women are also respected when they excel in their natural sphere or prove themselves individually capable in traditional male areas.

And that is the area of our concern.
You can't declare that everybody is four feet tall and  that doing so has made everyone excel in every field and created a brilliant new age of accomplishment.
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« Reply #128 on: September 25, 2007, 05:18:16 AM »

Right, and now we are simply forced to "pretend" that women are equal in every way even though we truly know they are not so... 

1) we get laid
2)we keep our wife and children and house
3) we keep our job
4) we keep our employer from being sued
5) we keep from going to jail
6) we keep our friends and social life
7) we keep from being kicked off campus
Cool etc....

Makes for a lot of stress on guys out there.  All this pretending just maintain his life.
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« Reply #129 on: September 25, 2007, 10:40:33 AM »

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So don't try to gross me out!

The reason many men do this is because of the cold aloofness and arrogance women cultivate to let men know they are so much garbage. Only a rich guy or a thug automatically has women's interest. Most boys learn it's difficult to get any real response from girls, so they figure out ways to say or do things that repulse or frighten them so badly they'll react.
Thus men learn to do that to at least elicit some emotion from women.
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« Reply #130 on: September 26, 2007, 12:44:58 PM »

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So don't try to gross me out!

The reason many men do this is because of the cold aloofness and arrogance women cultivate to let men know they are so much garbage. Only a rich guy or a thug automatically has women's interest. Most boys learn it's difficult to get any real response from girls, so they figure out ways to say or do things that repulse or frighten them so badly they'll react.
Thus men learn to do that to at least elicit some emotion from women.

Oh. alright! By writing about ripping off the clitoris! I understand. That is a really constructive way to elicit an emotinal response from women Smiley That is so childish and mean he needs to be spanked and put in his room!

BTW, I did look up Hedy Lamar, very interesting, thanks for your suggestion
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« Reply #131 on: September 26, 2007, 01:59:26 PM »

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That is so childish and mean he needs to be spanked and put in his room!

Come on down and give it a try. See how much chivilary I DON'T have.
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« Reply #132 on: September 26, 2007, 02:12:14 PM »

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That is so childish and mean he needs to be spanked and put in his room!

Come on down and give it a try. See how much chivilary I DON'T have.
I would hate to see you get hurt! Smiley I use firearms for spanking
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« Reply #133 on: September 26, 2007, 09:47:54 PM »

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BTW, I did look up Hedy Lamar, very interesting, thanks for your suggestion
 

If it's true, it's true.
There are female geniuses and I'm not one to deny it.

Another you might not think of is Mae West. That's right. Besides her early and now largely forgotten career as a burlesque performer she wrote a number of plays and a novel. She was several times arrested in the 1920s because of the supposed salacious content of her plays. She's best known now for self-parody, "camp," which she invented in the 1930s movies people today can see. She was making a comeback at the relatively unusual age of 40 and the authorities were afraid because of her reputation, so she came up with double-entendres referring to her earlier notoriety. Audiences then understood the references though today most don't; however, she did them so cleverly they remain funny.
It sustained her for the next 40 years.
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« Reply #134 on: September 27, 2007, 09:18:11 AM »

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That is so childish and mean he needs to be spanked and put in his room!

Come on down and give it a try. See how much chivilary I DON'T have.
I would hate to see you get hurt! Smiley I use firearms for spanking

Ditto.
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